Please find below the link to the video as well as the slides of my presentation: VIDEO: Geert Vanden Bossche: What happens if a pandemic involving a virus naturally causing acute self-limiting infection fails to generate herd immunity? SLIDES: https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/what-happens-if-a-pandemic-involving-a-virus-naturally-causing-acute-self-limiting-infection-fails-to-generate-herd-immunity
Everything is lining up right on time. I mean economically. My best guess is between March and June and it will cause a huge stock market crash. And this time you can’t just stimulate the market back - 20-30 year Great Depression. It’s so strange how things line up that are supposed to be random
I don't think the big bang will come as a result of the inevitable natural emergence of a Marek's like scenario ...
As you point out this is all about the inevitable collapse of the global economy.
My money is on them wanting to control the detonation (extermination)... and the way that is done is to release a lab made pathogen that works with the damaged immune systems to kill.
What I see here and with his recent postings on SubStack is a man who NOW knows he is right and wants to cement/document for history that HE was right when everyone else was wrong. He is hero. He will be seen as one now. He will not be forgotten.
Just read the last 10-15 posts…all interesting in their own right. One piece that no one is discussing is the herd immune pressure that is driving this mess. The strategy for survival of the virus at this point is to overcome this…once and for all. There isn’t much more room on RBD for variants to mutate further and “escape” this pressure. The increased infectiousness, hospitalizations and death with JN-1 is a sign that pNNAbs are already declining. Now all the population herd immune pressure is being focused on the NTD (which is a very small space) and a key reason why Geert says a “Hivicron “ variant can happen “at anytime”. Once this pressure is relieved the virus can spread intra species (host), replicate and remove the part of the population exerting the immune pressure that is causing the immune escape.
Geert’s understanding too is evolving along with the evolution of the virus. I think when people try to pin him down to “when” his predictions will happen is a challenging and speculative proposition to pin down. (Despite his well-thought out and years of wisdom in the field). I have a high degree of respect for his scholarship and work and I do believe his understanding goes deep which permits him to “see” further ahead than anyone.
Any comments on why they would give the Ebola vaccine to Denver CO medical workers? Besides the fact there is a bat lab going in up the road...... It sheds in bodily fluids - could that help grant herd immunity?
I was alerted 6 days ago from a subscriber about a new JN.1 variant.... named JN.1.11. After searching for 5 days on Duck Duck Go I found this:
JN.1.11 sub-variants of JN.1 detected in India , reported in Thai land Medical News – discovered by a “variant hunter” from Tsinghua University in China
Hello Lawrence going off what geert has said these sub lineages are irrelevant and will take a major completely different varaint with many mutations to overcome the PNNABS almost a delta to omicron or omicron to BA2.86 event
So in your mind the JN.1 and the new emerging JN.1.11 is not a significant enough change? OK - we will see... it's mutating right now... I think we already have our killer or we almost have our killer in India. This article has been scrubbed from even Duck Duck Go. I found it by accident after 5 days of searching for JN.1.11 from a tip I got. Which tells me that we have a problem and "someone" knows we have a problem.
This particular presentation of GVB is one of the most accessible for me. The slides: l tried to follow along as usual, but this time, fugghhkkg hell, I actually understood. Well, some of it, rather than just about nothing!!! Not sure the universe expects me to get any mastery of the material - for me the best approach is the "The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know". We are fed such BS from medical journals, governments, MSM, NGOs that I don't have a choice but to go to Dr GVB to find out what is going on. (BTW Lawrence, I use Brave.com as a search engine, and on my smartphone, I use Freespoke as a search engine. I find both preferable to DuckDuckGo -have you tried these search engines?)
Lawrence I was the one who told you about the variant from the variant spotters on twitter with constant updates it looks as if JN.1.11 has small mutations it has picked up things are very quiet over there with rubbish sequencing nothing much seems to be happening, listening to geert here he is almost dismissing these spotters as pointless because there's 1000s of sub lineages which are doing nothing as for JN.1.11 it had been spotted end if December I think if it was the monster it would have spread by now and be causing more damage.
I didn't say JN.1 wasn't a significant change it's a harbinger as he says for a more dangerous variant as he says delta was the harbinger for omicron so this will turn out the same another huge leap to finally take care of the PNNABS.
Going of what geert is saying it will take a huge event to override the PNNABS maybe that being 10 15 mutations on the NTD and 5 10 on spike I don't know but to think it will have to override the whole population/world who geert says right now the bulk is well enough protected its only a small percentage who are effected by JN.1 in my eyes it would have to be huge change to collectively bypass the PNNABS
I thought you were the one... I think it is significant (I am not alone). You have your opinion. We will see right... you want to believe that is not going to happen and this guides your opinion. I believe based on the science that Geert has explained that it will happen. Simple.... I am objective.... you want to believe that it will not happen. I don't see how it can't happen.... there are to many incubation chambers at work 24/7. And you can see it in the confidence in Geert's recent postings. He is cementing himself into the the history books as the guy who got it right. He knows the clock is ticking. History will soon be made and he is on the right side of it.
Lawrence I don't know why you think I don't think this will happen it's going to happen 100 percent there's no doubt about it because doing research on APC CTLS this cannot go any other way if the vaccinated can only see spike if there's huge changes on the NTD which there now is then they will NOT be able to see it so there's no other way this can end because more and more changes on NTD equals game over, we must of been listening to two different conversations here but geert has no time for these variant spotters there a waste of money they report on every single lineage which is a waste of time in his eyes, how can any monster come from a JN.1 sub lineage the PNNABS are already onto it, it needs a bombshell that blows away the PNNABS like a 30 40 mutation event on the NTD and spike I don't think this will take long and going of what geert has said this will be so fast there will be no sequencing or warning it will hit the whole world all at once with no warning and we will see it with our own eyes before we hear about it.
As for that thailand medical news he thinks the whole world will be dead within 5 years if exposed to covid wether unvaccinated or vaccinated, he always dramatises situations and he is mr doomsday he slags of all anti viral including hydroxichloriquine and ivermectin tells people not to take it because it is dangerous so I take what he says with a pinch of salt.
Here is the deal... it has been independently proven that immune refocusing is the driver of the evolution of immune escape in the vaccinated. That makes this a done deal. It can't end any other way. Geert got real cocky after the study that found this. He was right and the science proves that he was right. Here is video on the study. When I saw this... I was like.... it's happening... he was right. https://open.substack.com/pub/gvdb/p/a-small-victory-for-science-the-truth?r=gjogf&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Lawrence, although I agree with Geert's basic premise that we are in a very bad place with COVID, I still think it would be prudent to exercise some skepticism that he is not getting everything right, and especially since he has been wrong in the past. Geert has been wrong that the doomsday variant is right around the corner; he has been calling for it for around two years now. Geert also famously predicted that the advent of Omicron would allow vaccinees to get their innate immunity back and this would end the pandemic. It's after that didn't shape up that he started postulating about immune refocusing.
I know the science is quite complex, but I am now starting to wonder whether Geert is over thinking some of the details with his overly cerebral explanations. Could much of what he is saying be explained by a virus epidemic that's simply outrunning our immunity. If so, would we really need such things as immune refocusing, or could it just be a mere consequence rather than a cause?
As for JN1, it might be the one, but the track record of this pandemic has shown that it's the surprise variants that do the most damage, such as delta, omicron, and even JN1. With JN1 now known, it might no longer be able to muster enough punch to spell our final doom, and it might take another radical variant to achieve this.
So I will bring you up to date: And I will send you a link to explain this. A independent study was recently published that was not looking to validate immune refocusing for Geert or anyone else, proved that immune refocusing had happened and was happening with the vaccinated. When I saw this... the fact the immune refocusing was the driver of the viruses immune escape (like Geert said), I knew that if he is right about this and he is right about where this will end up. In fact I refrained from writing about this until this study was published. Here is my piece on it. https://open.substack.com/pub/lawrencebutts/p/jn666?r=gjogf&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Greg although I said last night JN.1.11 may not be the one I've looked this morning and it's taken over india already now I know there adeno so I'm not sure if we would see high virulence over there, some of the guys over at twitter following it have mentioned glycosylation several times and now it's it's adjacent to the RBM is this important and is this what he geert was saying needed to happen.
Nick, any links about the Jn.1.11 situation in India? Yes, Geert has been calling for the virus undergoing glycosylation to completely override our immunity.
How unvaccinated does a population need to be to avoid the increase in virulence? And if many of the unvaccinated were persistently infected by vax-spike shedding, can they also have developed polymeric nonneutralizing sc2 antibodies?
Well I respect the heck out of you sir but I think you are stretching it here, wife and I got covid in April/2021 and since that time we have not even caught the common cold...errr covid:)
But we do have a very high vitamin d level and take close to 10g a day of vitamin c and many other nutrients.
Geert talks about those who have had 2 or 3 jabs with the refocusing, i wonder the ones who have taken 1 what boat are they in which here in the uk is 5 million people, now the question I have is i personally know 2 people who have had 1, 1 has had heart palpitations since and the other is the mother in law who I told not to get jabbed and has been ill 6 times after it in the space of 3 months in 2021 she's now currently really ill AGAIN, I wonder have most of them had immune priming and are also in serious shit.
How close are we to the Big Bang? The waiting and being constantly on guard is nerve-wracking.
Everything is lining up right on time. I mean economically. My best guess is between March and June and it will cause a huge stock market crash. And this time you can’t just stimulate the market back - 20-30 year Great Depression. It’s so strange how things line up that are supposed to be random
I don't think the big bang will come as a result of the inevitable natural emergence of a Marek's like scenario ...
As you point out this is all about the inevitable collapse of the global economy.
My money is on them wanting to control the detonation (extermination)... and the way that is done is to release a lab made pathogen that works with the damaged immune systems to kill.
They surely would not leave this to chance...
What I see here and with his recent postings on SubStack is a man who NOW knows he is right and wants to cement/document for history that HE was right when everyone else was wrong. He is hero. He will be seen as one now. He will not be forgotten.
Well done - exquisitely laid out for everyone to see.
Just read the last 10-15 posts…all interesting in their own right. One piece that no one is discussing is the herd immune pressure that is driving this mess. The strategy for survival of the virus at this point is to overcome this…once and for all. There isn’t much more room on RBD for variants to mutate further and “escape” this pressure. The increased infectiousness, hospitalizations and death with JN-1 is a sign that pNNAbs are already declining. Now all the population herd immune pressure is being focused on the NTD (which is a very small space) and a key reason why Geert says a “Hivicron “ variant can happen “at anytime”. Once this pressure is relieved the virus can spread intra species (host), replicate and remove the part of the population exerting the immune pressure that is causing the immune escape.
Geert’s understanding too is evolving along with the evolution of the virus. I think when people try to pin him down to “when” his predictions will happen is a challenging and speculative proposition to pin down. (Despite his well-thought out and years of wisdom in the field). I have a high degree of respect for his scholarship and work and I do believe his understanding goes deep which permits him to “see” further ahead than anyone.
Thanks for sharing this important Update Dr Bossche much appreciated and thanks once again for for analysis and insights
Kind Regards Paul
Any comments on why they would give the Ebola vaccine to Denver CO medical workers? Besides the fact there is a bat lab going in up the road...... It sheds in bodily fluids - could that help grant herd immunity?
Enjoyed listening to the video.
I appreciate your work!
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So Too Does A Piece Of The Bullshit
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I was alerted 6 days ago from a subscriber about a new JN.1 variant.... named JN.1.11. After searching for 5 days on Duck Duck Go I found this:
JN.1.11 sub-variants of JN.1 detected in India , reported in Thai land Medical News – discovered by a “variant hunter” from Tsinghua University in China
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-worrisome-jn-1-indian-sub-lineage-jn-1-11-that-thailand-medical-news-warned-about-is-now-increasing-in-spread-across-india
Hello Lawrence going off what geert has said these sub lineages are irrelevant and will take a major completely different varaint with many mutations to overcome the PNNABS almost a delta to omicron or omicron to BA2.86 event
So in your mind the JN.1 and the new emerging JN.1.11 is not a significant enough change? OK - we will see... it's mutating right now... I think we already have our killer or we almost have our killer in India. This article has been scrubbed from even Duck Duck Go. I found it by accident after 5 days of searching for JN.1.11 from a tip I got. Which tells me that we have a problem and "someone" knows we have a problem.
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-worrisome-jn-1-indian-sub-lineage-jn-1-11-that-thailand-medical-news-warned-about-is-now-increasing-in-spread-across-india
This particular presentation of GVB is one of the most accessible for me. The slides: l tried to follow along as usual, but this time, fugghhkkg hell, I actually understood. Well, some of it, rather than just about nothing!!! Not sure the universe expects me to get any mastery of the material - for me the best approach is the "The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know". We are fed such BS from medical journals, governments, MSM, NGOs that I don't have a choice but to go to Dr GVB to find out what is going on. (BTW Lawrence, I use Brave.com as a search engine, and on my smartphone, I use Freespoke as a search engine. I find both preferable to DuckDuckGo -have you tried these search engines?)
Lawrence I was the one who told you about the variant from the variant spotters on twitter with constant updates it looks as if JN.1.11 has small mutations it has picked up things are very quiet over there with rubbish sequencing nothing much seems to be happening, listening to geert here he is almost dismissing these spotters as pointless because there's 1000s of sub lineages which are doing nothing as for JN.1.11 it had been spotted end if December I think if it was the monster it would have spread by now and be causing more damage.
I didn't say JN.1 wasn't a significant change it's a harbinger as he says for a more dangerous variant as he says delta was the harbinger for omicron so this will turn out the same another huge leap to finally take care of the PNNABS.
Going of what geert is saying it will take a huge event to override the PNNABS maybe that being 10 15 mutations on the NTD and 5 10 on spike I don't know but to think it will have to override the whole population/world who geert says right now the bulk is well enough protected its only a small percentage who are effected by JN.1 in my eyes it would have to be huge change to collectively bypass the PNNABS
I thought you were the one... I think it is significant (I am not alone). You have your opinion. We will see right... you want to believe that is not going to happen and this guides your opinion. I believe based on the science that Geert has explained that it will happen. Simple.... I am objective.... you want to believe that it will not happen. I don't see how it can't happen.... there are to many incubation chambers at work 24/7. And you can see it in the confidence in Geert's recent postings. He is cementing himself into the the history books as the guy who got it right. He knows the clock is ticking. History will soon be made and he is on the right side of it.
Lawrence I don't know why you think I don't think this will happen it's going to happen 100 percent there's no doubt about it because doing research on APC CTLS this cannot go any other way if the vaccinated can only see spike if there's huge changes on the NTD which there now is then they will NOT be able to see it so there's no other way this can end because more and more changes on NTD equals game over, we must of been listening to two different conversations here but geert has no time for these variant spotters there a waste of money they report on every single lineage which is a waste of time in his eyes, how can any monster come from a JN.1 sub lineage the PNNABS are already onto it, it needs a bombshell that blows away the PNNABS like a 30 40 mutation event on the NTD and spike I don't think this will take long and going of what geert has said this will be so fast there will be no sequencing or warning it will hit the whole world all at once with no warning and we will see it with our own eyes before we hear about it.
As for that thailand medical news he thinks the whole world will be dead within 5 years if exposed to covid wether unvaccinated or vaccinated, he always dramatises situations and he is mr doomsday he slags of all anti viral including hydroxichloriquine and ivermectin tells people not to take it because it is dangerous so I take what he says with a pinch of salt.
Here is the deal... it has been independently proven that immune refocusing is the driver of the evolution of immune escape in the vaccinated. That makes this a done deal. It can't end any other way. Geert got real cocky after the study that found this. He was right and the science proves that he was right. Here is video on the study. When I saw this... I was like.... it's happening... he was right. https://open.substack.com/pub/gvdb/p/a-small-victory-for-science-the-truth?r=gjogf&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Lawrence, although I agree with Geert's basic premise that we are in a very bad place with COVID, I still think it would be prudent to exercise some skepticism that he is not getting everything right, and especially since he has been wrong in the past. Geert has been wrong that the doomsday variant is right around the corner; he has been calling for it for around two years now. Geert also famously predicted that the advent of Omicron would allow vaccinees to get their innate immunity back and this would end the pandemic. It's after that didn't shape up that he started postulating about immune refocusing.
I know the science is quite complex, but I am now starting to wonder whether Geert is over thinking some of the details with his overly cerebral explanations. Could much of what he is saying be explained by a virus epidemic that's simply outrunning our immunity. If so, would we really need such things as immune refocusing, or could it just be a mere consequence rather than a cause?
As for JN1, it might be the one, but the track record of this pandemic has shown that it's the surprise variants that do the most damage, such as delta, omicron, and even JN1. With JN1 now known, it might no longer be able to muster enough punch to spell our final doom, and it might take another radical variant to achieve this.
https://jessicar.substack.com/p/a-new-piece-by-geert-vanden-bossche
So I will bring you up to date: And I will send you a link to explain this. A independent study was recently published that was not looking to validate immune refocusing for Geert or anyone else, proved that immune refocusing had happened and was happening with the vaccinated. When I saw this... the fact the immune refocusing was the driver of the viruses immune escape (like Geert said), I knew that if he is right about this and he is right about where this will end up. In fact I refrained from writing about this until this study was published. Here is my piece on it. https://open.substack.com/pub/lawrencebutts/p/jn666?r=gjogf&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Here is the post that Geert did on this study: https://open.substack.com/pub/gvdb/p/a-small-victory-for-science-the-truth?r=gjogf&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Like you I hope this doesn't happen. But it is happening... it can't be stopped now.
You wont see this on the evening news: https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-worrisome-jn-1-indian-sub-lineage-jn-1-11-that-thailand-medical-news-warned-about-is-now-increasing-in-spread-across-india
Greg although I said last night JN.1.11 may not be the one I've looked this morning and it's taken over india already now I know there adeno so I'm not sure if we would see high virulence over there, some of the guys over at twitter following it have mentioned glycosylation several times and now it's it's adjacent to the RBM is this important and is this what he geert was saying needed to happen.
Nick, any links about the Jn.1.11 situation in India? Yes, Geert has been calling for the virus undergoing glycosylation to completely override our immunity.
https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/predictions-gvb-on-evolution-c-19-pandemic
He's on twitter @mrmickme he's called Michael
How unvaccinated does a population need to be to avoid the increase in virulence? And if many of the unvaccinated were persistently infected by vax-spike shedding, can they also have developed polymeric nonneutralizing sc2 antibodies?
Well I respect the heck out of you sir but I think you are stretching it here, wife and I got covid in April/2021 and since that time we have not even caught the common cold...errr covid:)
But we do have a very high vitamin d level and take close to 10g a day of vitamin c and many other nutrients.
But what I said above is a true story.
Geert talks about those who have had 2 or 3 jabs with the refocusing, i wonder the ones who have taken 1 what boat are they in which here in the uk is 5 million people, now the question I have is i personally know 2 people who have had 1, 1 has had heart palpitations since and the other is the mother in law who I told not to get jabbed and has been ill 6 times after it in the space of 3 months in 2021 she's now currently really ill AGAIN, I wonder have most of them had immune priming and are also in serious shit.
It’s been so long i almost want it... the Renaissance came after the Black Death
I guess this guy took 7 years
https://youtu.be/M2l557eUTts